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          <div><div class="news-group" readability="36"><p align="left" class="news002">虽然生物医药风险大，周期长，回报倍数也没有TMT那么高，但却不像TMT那样真正让你血本无归。</p><p align="justify">　　2016年12月6日-8日，由清科集团、投资界主办，联想创投联合主办的“第十六届中国股权投资年度论坛”在京举行，汇集股权投资界巨匠精英，以趋势、策略、行业角度剖析这个时代。</p><p align="justify">　　在消费升级分会场的圆桌讨论环节，仙瞳资本执行合伙人刘靖龙，善德资本管理及创始合伙人陈玉喜，高特佳投资副总经理、合伙人胡雪峰，中卫基金董事总经理、创始合伙人李文罡，浙商创投管理合伙人、执行总裁刘冬秋，复星同浩资本创始合伙人、总裁刘琦开，启明创投投资合伙人唐艳旻，华盖资本创始合伙人许小林，就“大健康，大机遇”进行了探讨。</p><p align="center"><img height="310" src="/sites/default/files/images/news/20161208-7.jpg" width="620" /></p><p align="justify"><strong>以下为对话实录，经投资界（</strong><strong>ID:pedaily2012</strong><strong>）编辑整理：</strong></p><p align="justify"><strong>大健康真的赚钱吗?</strong></p><p align="justify"><strong>唐艳旻</strong><strong>：</strong>在国外我们看过一个报告，就是投TMT行业和生物医药行业做过一个比较，这两个行业差别是非常大的：TMT成长特别快，估值也是翻得比较高，但是失败率也非常高的；生物医药大家虽然也认为比较风险大，但是和TMT相比，真正让你血本无归的企业比例不是那么高，但是周期非常长，回报倍数也没有TMT那么高。但是综合下来，在相当长一段时间内，投资整个大健康、投资生物医药，比投TMT总体回报率还是很高的。</p><p align="justify"><strong>胡雪峰</strong><strong>：</strong>大健康这个行业有几个非常显著的特点：</p><p align="justify">第一，它的需求是非常巨大的，中国的人口基数、各种老龄化的问题、基因普的变化等因素，估计到2020年市场份额在8万亿左右。现在才3-4万亿，所以需求足够大。</p><p align="justify">第二，它是一个稳步高增长的行业，增长幅度通常是GDP的两倍，只有去年出现了一点变化。去年所有行业都在下滑，医药行业肯定要下滑，但是它下滑的速度远远低于其他所有的行业。今年1-9月份公布的数据利润增长达到了13%，是所有行业里面最快恢复的一个领域。</p><p align="justify">第三，十年十倍的股票，医药行业统计下来占三分之一。</p><p align="justify"><strong>值得投资的领域又在哪？</strong></p><p align="justify"><strong>刘靖龙：</strong>大健康这个领域跨度是非常大的，哪些领域是大家看好的，或者是值得去投资的？</p><p align="justify"><strong>唐艳旻：</strong>中国生物医药的研发基础是比较薄弱的，我们这么多年投生物医药的研发企业，99%以上都是跟国外的科学家和科研院所合作，跟国外的科研院所合作，真正来自于本土的创新技术现在还比较少。但是中国正发生着翻天覆地的变化，不光是人才，包括技术的先进性，国家目前对于新药的注册政策，还有目前正在热火朝天搞的医保。做创新药目前在中国是一个最好一段时期，这个领域我们非常看好。</p><p align="justify"><strong>陈玉喜：</strong>大健康的领域持续热了大概有小十年，到现在应该进入到下半场。以医药为例，从最开始的20%的增速，然后到10%以上的增速，再到现在10%以内的增速。</p><p align="justify">医疗医药领域和大健康领域，不像TMT上百倍的回报。从清科整体数据来讲，一般的投资机构平均年化达到了20%多的回报，已经非常不错了。</p><p align="justify">医药器械、POCT（即时检验）现在也到了一个节点，像化学发光，从之前30%以上的回报降到了20%。</p><p align="justify">最近一年，分级诊断还是比较热的，但是这个领域也有它的问题。因为分级诊断整体占体外诊断试剂的份额是比较小的，虽然增速比较高，但是现在估值已经非常高了，后期进入的安全性还是有一点问题。</p><p align="justify"><strong>李文罡：</strong>我们觉得有三大类方向——药、器械和体外诊断，这几个都是有机会的。再深一些，在药当中，肿瘤和抑制治疗比较热门。还有一些器械耗材，包括起搏器、可降解支架，还有生物介入治疗的生物瓣膜，会是一个比较热门的方向。</p><p align="justify">原来上市的体外诊断公司大多数以生化为主，现在也有一些化学发光的新企业出来，往分子诊断、液体活检这一类去发展。也有科学家写文章批判说液体活检这一块是过热的，其实在投资和创业当中，必然会经过一个过热，大家冷静下来，然后就会进入正常的周期。</p><p align="justify"><strong>胡雪峰：</strong>大健康行业的热点是层出不穷、阶段性的。最近这几年，投资人都集中在医药器械、精准医疗，把这个小细分市场炒得很热，估值炒得很高。我还有一个大的热点，就是医疗机构。医疗机构是中国最最传统的、最不市场化的、最行政化的一个领土，这个领土靠我们国家自己的医改太难了，必须靠鲶鱼效应、靠民营企业推动、靠社会资本推动，才能够把医疗健康领域把最大的蛋糕啃下来。</p><p align="justify">刘琦开：大家觉得移动医疗没有什么可讲的，好像过时了。其实我是为移动医疗来正名的。</p><p align="justify">移动医疗的春天还没有来到，大家觉得可能已经过去了。我们TMT领域跟医疗的结合，移动医疗已经经历了两个阶段，第一个阶段就是纯互联网服务，第二类是链接线下服务，第三是排除医疗移动的概念，就是说高科技跟互联网全面渗透到医疗健康产业，我认为这个是移动医疗3.0创业阶段。</p><p align="justify"><strong>许小林</strong><strong>：</strong>现在我们选择三个方向，一个是生物医药，一个是医药器械的国产化，还有一个就是医药服务里面的民营专科医院和健康管理。</p><p align="justify"><strong>刘冬秋</strong><strong>：</strong>我们现在比较关注真正在这个行业能够实现技术突破，或者能够实现比较显著效率提升的项目。</p><p align="justify">未来相当长的时间，不管讲新的概念或者是热点，归根到底中国医疗服务的核心是在最好的医院，或者是最好的医生。让这样一些稀缺资源能够惠及更大的群体，这是技术可以实现的一点，就会带来很多技术服务的公司和空间，这是我们比较关注的。</p><p align="justify">医疗看起来是很热闹，觉得很有前景，真正做好了还是挺难的。所以我们眼光要放长一点，做好自己该做的事情，追求长期回报的价值，这个可能更现实一点。</p><p align="justify"><strong>技术门槛怎么破？千万别迷信专家！</strong></p><p align="justify"><strong>刘靖龙：</strong>这个领域的特点是产业链非常长，产业周期也非常长，人才的跨度、广度和深度，以及较高的技术门槛。资本面对这样一个行业的时候，怎样去破解这个壁垒？</p><p align="justify"><strong>胡雪峰：</strong>医药行业要突破两大门槛，一个就是技术门槛，第二个要突破政策门槛。我奉劝大家，大健康有风险，入市须谨慎。怎么样投？必须要有产业背景的支持，必须有上下游资源的协同。大健康行业有一个特点，不要担心颗粒无收，行业清零的风险相对较小</p><p align="justify"><strong>许小林</strong><strong>：</strong>从07年专注投医疗以后，我问专家什么行业好，他告诉我说，公立医院改革是一个非常好的机会。直到今天我还在想，如果听了专家的话，现在恐怕还在跟公立医院纠缠。公立医院到今天都不是一个非常好的投资机会，尤其是在中国基金是7-10年时间年限上。</p><p align="justify">我还问过专家，器械这个大行业有什么机会？专家告诉我最有价值的是高端设备，而低质的耗材已经是红海了，很难赚到钱。但我们给浙江的一家低质耗材投了1个亿，目前已经挂牌了。</p><p align="justify">所以，千万不要迷信专家。你想投哪个行业，就在每个细分领域里都投一家，才对这个行业有更深的了解。</p></div></div>    
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